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jaashley@prodigy.net Junior Member |
I've heard that Mr. Bradbury recently completed his own screenplay for a new FAHRENHEIT 451 film. If so, I hope a director is found for it. And I'm sure that Mr. Bradbury included in his script the Mechanical Hound; I would love to see that on the screen (Just think: you secretly hold a book in your hand in your own home and start to read it, but some hidden eye-motion detector in your house sees your eyes moving continually side-to-side and a signal is relayed to some sleeping mechanical beast in a fire station; it slowly opens it's eyes, then suddenly stands up as if alerted to a noise, and takes off running to--your house! Scary!!) The director I would like to see make FAHRENHEIT 451 is Frank Darabont, who directed THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION (remember the Warden's threat to have a "book barbecue"?) and THE GREEN MILE. In SHAWSHANK, he showed he can tell a story about someone who has very little freedom. The movie takes place in a prison, but, in a sense, so does FAHRENHEIT; it's just that it FAHRENHEIT the prison is the size of an entire country--or a world. In THE GREEN MILE, Darabont showed he can deal with fantasy elements. IP: Logged |
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Magic_94 Junior Member |
A new F451 movie would be great, considering how crappy movies like, say, "Equilibrium" were. IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
What is this, a Mechanical Hound Fan Club? (See other posts on the subject.) IP: Logged |
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patrask Member |
I am recoverying from surgery and was dreaming something about a Ray Bradbury story, then I awoke and turned on the TV to the AMC channel and what was on but Fahrenheit 451! So I wathced it again for the 10th time. It is truly a terrible movie, all drab and cold with no color at all. It lacks all of the interesting features of the story, the ear radio, the hound and even the chase at the end is different. I hope the story is filmed in its original condidtion next time. It is such a good story as is. I did like the walking people as books at the end of the film. I think Ray might keep that in a revision if he did one. I think it was in the play we saw in LA last year. IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
Ray really praised the director, Truffaut, for supplying that ending; said it made him weep every time. Both the director and the main actor died the same week, and people KNOWING my UTTER devotion for Ray, teased me that "bad things come in threes," which I did not find at all funny. IP: Logged |
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Tonyw Junior Member |
Man, that would be great to see a well done movie of Fahrenheit 451. I had to force myself to watch the old one, it was just aweful. It would be a challenge to recreat the surreal feel of the book, but if they can pull it off! IP: Logged |
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jaashley@prodigy.net Junior Member |
I hate to say this, since I am probably in an extreme minority, but I thought the 1966 Truffaut film of FAHRENHEIT 451 was excellent, and not without color or emotion. And I thought Oskar Werner was just as excellent as Montag; he showed how Montag's seriousness about the world, shown while he is on the job, was what turned him around to the truth about things. Nevertheless, I want to see Mr. Bradbury's own screenplay made into a new film!! IP: Logged |
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fjpalumbo Member |
Yes, F451 -the original- is a classic in its own way. However, the time has arrived for a major effort on the remake. Spare no expense, follow the plot, capture the feeling of the techno-phobic driven characters, add the special effects (as done so well, I thought, in Minority Report), and, of course, get the mechanical dog into the chase. Faber needs to conjure, Clarisse needs to be bright-eyed, energetic, and truly romantic (a unknown starlit), the machines need to be a part of the terror Montag helps to produce as the story opens, the railcars need to overwhelm all thought to and from their destinations. Everything needs to feel urgent on the part of the firemen. Every book is the enemy. Every breath released is a paranoid experience. When Montag starts to shed his skin, that dog needs to be sniffing closeby, clicking, blinking, and checking out his psychological and molecular changes. He's got all the wires to read perspiration, eye dialations, and nervous impulses. Let him go, unleash him, and let Montag earn his place in the history of great characters on the screen. For he is already one of the great characters on the written page. The escape across the river needs to be paid its dues, also. (Re-read the final chapter.) Poetry, images, transcendental detail, dreamlike, and shear artistry on RB's part. I did like the (movie's) final scene when the young boy reads to the old man as the snow falls peacefully. The youth finally has the book memorized, the man has died, and the story ends. Great moment. But the book is filled with great moments. The original movie, for its time, did ok with what was available - maybe! Now, F451 is a big success just waiting to be recaptured to film. With all of the remakes and fantasy fanfare in recent years, get to it Hollywood! Can't you hear Capt. Beatty spewing out his heresy, or is it truth?! The sweet voice of Clarisse, a siren, enticing so gently the unexpecting fireman. Mildred shaking out more pills, more loss, more self-centered treachery in setting up Guy. The web says 2005. Is no news, bad news in considering the chances of this getting done? For anyone who has yet to read the story, here is an enticement. Page 1, 1st 2 lines: "It was a pleasure to burn. It was a special pleasure to see things eaten, to see things blackened and changed." ....don't stop now! Hurry! Get a copy and read on! IP: Logged |
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Nard Kordell Member |
fjpalumbo: This link used to work, and then it sometimes works, and now...?? ALSO: Elron, Russian fellow who posts here now and then, has a Web-Site with lots of Bradbury stories on it... This one steered here by Philnic... http://www.raybradbury.ru/cgi-bin/page.cgi?014 Hope one of these links works.... IP: Logged |
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LittelBro Junior Member |
I have read the book many times, but I have never seen the movie. Actually, for a 14 year old, I think I did pretty good understanding the book. It may have taken a few dozen time reading it, but I still did good. But one thing I never understood: How does the captain know all of those quotes and all the other stuff? Did he himself have books stashed away? IP: Logged |
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Nard Kordell Member |
LittelBro The Captain did indeed have books, in fact, a library.... So he knew first hand how they could cause conflicts, and mental anguish, and thus the need to eliminate them... By the way: [This message has been edited by Nard Kordell (edited 01-29-2004).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
In fact, I think the Captain told Montag it wasn't illegal to have the books, just to read them. Bradbury also spoke of a revelation which came to him years later concerning why Beatty became such an anti-book fanatic as to become Captain of the firemen. He said he was going to insert it into a revised edition sometime, but I don't know if he ever did. IP: Logged |
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philnic Member |
I think this new material was incorporated into the play of F451, where Montag visits the chief's house and sees his vast library of books. I seem to recall that the chief had some bad life experiences, and turned to books for solace, and found they contained nothing that could ease his pain and grief. He believes that by keeping the books and not reading them, he is emasculating them, robbing them of the power they might otherwise have. Bradbury also wrote an essay about this, which I think was included as an afterword to a 1980s edition of the F451 novel, and also included in Zen and the Art of Writing. (This is all from memory, as I don't have the books around me to check my facts.) - Phil IP: Logged |
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fjpalumbo Member |
Montag states, the Capt. wanted to die. His life, no matter how in control of others, was devoid of hope. This is the final human virtue that keeps spirit alive in a person. These comments are in the "Afterword" of more recent editions: "Don't you see the beauty, Montag? I never read them. Not one book, not one chapter, not one page, not one paragraph. I do play with ironies, don't I? To have thousands of books and never crack one, to turn your back on the lot and say: No. It's like having a house full of beautiful women and, smiling, not touching...one. ...These books die on the shelves. They are no better than dust. The Capt continues and refers to his emptiness (life, love, dreams, deaths, murder, an onslaught of disease). The pages he onced consumed as a young boy, now were empty. "No solace, peace, harbor, true love. no bed, no light." [This message has been edited by fjpalumbo (edited 01-30-2004).] IP: Logged |
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Nard Kordell Member |
fjpalumbo: Thanks for your posting on this. It adds a lot to clarifying the question originally presented... IP: Logged |
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Yestermorrow Member |
It's been a while since I read the book, but something doesn't make sense here. If he had all those books and didn't read them, how is he able to quote them and know so much of what's in them? IP: Logged |
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Mr. Dark Member |
It does look like a bit of a contradiction. In the Simon and Schuster "Classic" edition, Bradbury provided a new introduction. In it he says: "In writing the play, my Fire Chief, Beatty, told me why he had become a burner of books. So in this version, there is no contradiction, just a kind of bitter cynicism when the Captain can't reconcile his life with the ideals he saw in the books. This seems to make more sense. IP: Logged |
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grasstains Member |
Einstein Said: "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapt in awe, is as good as dead." IP: Logged |
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april61 Junior Member |
Hi--I'm looking for the essay/afterword online. Does anyone have a link to it? I know I read it online a couple years ago. Thanks. I just read the book for the first time this past weekend. Greatly enjoyed most of it. Haven't seen the movie ever. april Bradbury also wrote an essay about this, which I think was included as an afterword to a 1980s edition of the F451 novel, and also included in Zen and the Art of Writing. - Phil[/B][/QUOTE] IP: Logged |
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philnic Member |
I don't believe it is available online, although it may have been in the past. There is a tiny section of it quoted at: http://www.sjlibrary.org/gateways/teens/botm/feb_04.htm but that's about all. There is a vague possibility that it is somewhere on Elron/Pavel's russian Bradbury site, but I haven't been able to find it there. (www.raybradbury.ru). He has a lot of short story texts in full and in English. Of course, the simple solution is to buy a copy of Zen In The Art Of Writing - for a mere $12 or so, you get this and other excellent essays on writing. - Phil IP: Logged |
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Ought Not Member |
Concerning the development of 451: As of January 30, 2004, Frank Darabont has finished the Indiana Jones 4 screenplay and is now writing a NEW DRAFT for 451. My source: http://www.cinescape.com/0/Editorial.asp?this_cat=Movies&obj_id=40717&aff_id=0 IP: Logged |
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James Robert Smith Member |
Hm. Sounds promising. For me, Darabont has produced a mixed bag. I loved SHAWSHANK, but something like GREEN MILE made me gag. IP: Logged |
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Ought Not Member |
I liked both of those, James. George Lucas is said to have problems with Darabont's Indiana Jones screenplay so who knows if it will even be used now? With a great story like 451 he should do a brilliant job. IP: Logged |
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James Robert Smith Member |
Well, I didn't like either of the first two INDIANA JONES movies (didn't see the third), so I won't be heartbroken that a fourth might be delayed. (Never would be fine with me.) If Darabont can lay off the treacle, he can produce a good screenplay. I've always wanted someone to remake FARENHEIT 451. It's not a bad movie, and succeeds in the general theme. But so much more could be done now that filmmakers have made such strides in FX. IP: Logged |
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groon Member |
"I think the Captain told Montag it wasn't illegal to have the books, just to read them." I'm not saying you're wrong, I don't remember if this was said, but if it was, it wouldn't make sense. Montag thinks of hiding books in the ohter firemen's yards and calling them in too, to make the system collapse on itself. This wouldn't work if it was okay to have books, but not read them, for there would be no proof that the other firemen were actually reading them. It's obvious that Beatty DID read books, and in the end turned against them, but I think it is best that, at least in movie form, Beatty's private library be left out, for reasons of clarity. IP: Logged |
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lmskipper Member |
To clarify two points: Beatty said, "Well, Montag, take my word for it, I've had to read a few in my time, to know what I was about, and the books say nothing! Nothing you can teach or believe." So it doesn't sound to me like he had a bunch of his own, but just had checked them out occasionally in the past. Also, it was illegal for the firemen to have the books, but a little initial curiosity was tolerated. At one point Montag asked what would happen if a fireman accidentally brought a book home. Beatty's reply: "A natural error. Curiosity alone. We don't get overanxious or mad. We let the fireman keep the book twenty-four hours. If he hasn't burned it by then, we simply come burn it for him." Hope this clears up any confusion. IP: Logged |
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jajboeg Member |
Hey I hope the new one is better. But what do you think of ,maybe, Peter Jackson (do I have that name right or spelled right?) of 'The lord of the Rings' being the new director? Oh and that is what I re-read just bfore '3 From out there'; that trilogy and the Hobbit! Johnny B. IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
Peter Jackson still has to film "The Hobbit," though. IP: Logged |
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jajboeg Member |
OOOh the 'Hobbit' YES!! Can't wait to see 'SMOAG'[sp] if he does! Oh and Dandelion, on the 'Mechanical hound' fan club...did you or anyone hear of the POSSIBLE new Dr. Who movie that would include 'K9' I heard a bit of scuttlebutt 7, 8 months ago. Anything ever come of that, anyone know? John IP: Logged |
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arcadia Junior Member |
The old movie was pretty dissapointing - lack of technology for good SFX is no excuse. I did think Oscar Werner's acting was good though (is that his name? - the guy who plays Montag). But what really annoyed me was the fact that they used that actress (what's her name?) for both the role of Mildred and Clarisse - so maybe they had a low budget but I didn't like her acting and I didn't like it how they made Clarisse a school teacher and everything - no offence to teachers! IP: Logged |
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arcadia Junior Member |
By the way, did someone mention a F451 opera?! That would be interesting....seriously -I'm into classical music and film music etc IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
Julie Christie. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001046/ IP: Logged |
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arcadia Junior Member |
Yes that's her. I guess I don't really have a problem with her acting, she played Clarisse well enough but I think I found it a bit disturbing having her play Montag's wife as well - unless they were trying to make some kind of point about his relationship with these two women. IP: Logged |
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philnic Member |
I think that is exactly the point they were trying to make. Montag is drawn to Clarisse, just as he was once drawn to his wife. Although as characters (at this point in time) they are very different, there is some common factor they share. Or... Clarisse and the wife (sorry, I can't remember what she was called in the film, but it definitely wasn't Mildred) are represented as complementary - the wife has/had something, but Clarisse has something that is missing. If that makes any sense. Personally, I think the dual casting was an interesting but failed experiment. I don't find Julie Christie very convincing as Clarisse. Then again, I find it hard to like Montag as well. - Phil IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
Linda. I can never forget her television "family" saying, "Why Lin-da, you're ab-so-lute-ly fan-TAS-tic"! IP: Logged |
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philnic Member |
Just to keep things neat and tidy, the latest pic of Ray meeting Frank Darabont to discuss the script of F451 is here: http://www.raybradbury.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000987.html - Phil IP: Logged |
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Terry Pace Junior Member |
The "old" movie is definitely on DVD. It was recently reissued with a couple of commendable documentaries (one on the making of the film, and one on the composition of Bernard Herrmann's music score), a commentary track by Julie Christie and an excellent interview with Ray by filmmaker/screen historian Laurent Bouzereau (co-author of Pat Hitchcock's recent and highly recommended memoir, THE WOMAN BEHIND THE MAN). The movie is presented in widescreen and looks (and sounds) terrific. IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
"Those who don't read have no advantage over those who can't." This quote by Mark Twain reminds me of an old man I went to church with when I was 13. One Sunday he and his wife took me out to dinner and I asked him (as I did everyone) what I considered the most complimentary possible question in polite conversation, his favorite book. He replied he didn't read because "What use would it be to me to go to the library, check out some story, and spend my time reading about events that never happened to people who never existed?" Well, I was STRUCK SPEECHLESS! I was raised in a reading family--ministers, professors, and schoolteachers for generations--and I had NEVER heard reading or literature dismissed in that way. I don't recall how the rest of the conversation went, I was just so stunned and floored. It was the first time I'd heard such an ENTIRELY different viewpoint, and almost the last time, too--our society now is so geared to encouraging kids to read--what I'm thinking is, yes, read all you can before age 18, as you won't have as much time after--frankly I couldn't have survived as a kid without reading. I read once that Ron Howard said he had a very hard time learning to read, because always being on set as a child proved distracting. Well, I can guarantee you that when I was a child it didn't matter how distracting things around me got--in school, the teacher could leave the room, and the class would be up to all kinds of shenanigans and noise--guaranteed, there I'd be with my nose in a book, where it would remain unless I were really REQUIRED to be doing something else. I can't imagine a child spending long hours on a set, waiting around between scenes, without a book to read to pass the time, unless there were other children to provide entertainment. Maybe that's just me, but it seems the most natural thing in the world to me to always have a book on hand. How to burn a book without striking a match: by not only not reading it but ensuring that others don't either. IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
I'm ashamed of you guys for not properly replying to the above post, but at least we made a good discussion of it here: http://forums.abebooks.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=abecom&msg=2928.1&maxT=7 IP: Logged |
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