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Christos
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posted 10-02-2001 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christos   Click Here to Email Christos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My favourite story has got to be "The Toynbee Convector." The tale is nothing less than a metaphor for Bradbury's life and his motivation as a writer.

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Lance
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posted 10-02-2001 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lance   Click Here to Email Lance     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Christos:
My favourite story has got to be "The Toynbee Convector." The tale is nothing less than a metaphor for Bradbury's life and his motivation as a writer.

Christos


I agree, Christos. Bradbury hopes to convince us to make our own future. By showing us the wonders of tomorrow, he inspires us to bring those wonders to life. The future is, indeed, what we make it.

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fjpalumbo
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posted 03-01-2006 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fjpalumbo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is there a metaphor flying around in this here machine, or what? I believe, as far as I could detect after pulling back the layers, this is the earliest post in the original site. It deals appropriately with The Toynbee Convector.

So, I've traveled back in time to find the earliest comments within the vaults. This is it - 5:04pm, from 10/2/01!

"Old Paint" still has some kick left it. As a matter of fact, it is much like those little Mars probes, that keep on rolling and rolling and rolling...

I jumped on board here on 11/29/01. Fanning a few sparks from these embers is not a bad idea from time to time. It has a quaint feel and a different flair somehow.

My all time Favorite Ray Bradbury story without a doubt will always be

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Braling II
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posted 03-01-2006 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Braling II     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you not finish your post, or are you throwing out the question to be answered?
If the latter, I would REALLY have a hard time picking A favourite!

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pterran
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posted 03-01-2006 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pterran   Click Here to Email pterran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My favorite story is The Million Year Picnic. My favorite book is Dandelion Wine.

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fjpalumbo
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posted 03-02-2006 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fjpalumbo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sundance, caught up in some deep and serious pondering, I must have simply dozed off...

OK, now, without a doubt it is

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Braling II
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posted 03-02-2006 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Braling II     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A little narcolepsy there, Butch?

Butch?

Uh, Butch?

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fjpalumbo
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posted 03-02-2006 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fjpalumbo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, sure. Huh?

Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with all that dynamite you keep settin' off!

"Wilma?" Indeed! Geez...I still haven't gotten over that one yet.
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OK, Sundance! Here's one for ya~
LZ: "When the Levy Breaks" - give a listen.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/clipserve/B000002J09001008/0/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_008/104-2452981-7876768

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Braling II
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posted 03-02-2006 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Braling II     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I like "The Martian Hop" better, but I can't figure out how to attach it. Maybe on the new board...

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grasstains
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posted 03-10-2006 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bump*

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grasstains
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posted 03-10-2006 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumpity, bumpity, bump over the hills we go.

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dandelion
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posted 03-11-2006 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I liked the one about the Martian bumper cars.

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phenethylamine
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posted 03-17-2006 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for phenethylamine   Click Here to Email phenethylamine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like the Ravine - at least thats what I think its called. I actually made new post on that one to first of all to find out if that the actual title and also what collection its in.

Creepy fee, and quite unusual as its tld in the 2nd Person (if my memory serves correct...)

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Robot Lincoln
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posted 04-08-2006 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robot Lincoln   Click Here to Email Robot Lincoln     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Grasstains, I finally finished The Machineries of Joy, which I kinda dragged my feet cause I was reading alot of poetry and trying to write a little. I have now simultaneously started I Sing The Body Electric and The Postman. I'm well into Postman and loving it. Next slated to read Earth Abides and Seven From Oregon. Thanx for the tips.

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Braling II
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posted 04-12-2006 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Braling II     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Made ya look! Made ya look!

Actually, last night, just before bed, I re-read the chapter in DW about the Trolley. I still say it's some of the best writing ever done by mortal man.

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Chapter 31
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posted 04-12-2006 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chapter 31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can say that again. This makes me wonder, how many places, plays, books/stories and films can one think of that have something to do with trolleys/streetcars?

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Robot Lincoln
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posted 04-12-2006 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robot Lincoln   Click Here to Email Robot Lincoln     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your a good string-starter, Chap.

Stelllllllllaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

Mr. Roger's had a great trolley, nice sounding bells.

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Chapter 31
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posted 04-12-2006 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chapter 31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Love those bells.

“Ricearoni, the San Francisco Treat”

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dandelion
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posted 04-12-2006 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Really had to laugh when the Transit System in good old Walla Walla went for trolley-shaped-and-painted buses! Still think of Ray whenever I see one!

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grasstains
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posted 04-13-2006 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's the killer chase scene in THE ROCK with a runaway trolley.

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grasstains
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posted 04-13-2006 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robo,

I SING THE BODY ELECTRIC has one of my favorite Bradbury stories in it, "The Lost City Of Mars". I've always wondered why this one is never mentioned around here, except by me. Is there something to it that most other fans dislike about it? This passage - "I see", said the poet. "I do begin to see. I begin to know what this and what used for, for such as me, the poor wandering idiots of a world, confused, and sore put upon by mothers as soon as dropped from wombs, insulted with Christian guilt, and gone mad from the need of destruction, and collecting a pittance of hurt here and scar tissue there, and a larger portable wife grievance beyond, but one thing sure, we do want to die, we do want to be killed, and here's the very thing for it, in convenient quick pay! So pay it out, machine, dole it out, sweet raving device! Rape away, Death! I'm your very man." - is priceless

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Chapter 31
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posted 04-13-2006 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chapter 31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dandelion,
“…no matter how you look at it [or paint it or shape it] a bus ain’t a trolley.” Wow, he truly got that right. Smelly things those buses.

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grasstains
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posted 04-13-2006 05:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I've never figured that one out--how come they (buses) smell so bad and still put out that plume of black smoke when they claim to be "Clean Air Vehicles"? At least here in California.

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grasstains
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posted 04-13-2006 06:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
C-31,

I skimmed through the hardback copy of "Canticle" that I recently "upgraded" to and couldn't find that great passage about "Are we doomed to repeat our past transgressions and destroy ourselves over, and over again?" I think it was at the beginning or the end of a chapter in the old paperback I used to have. Maybe the novel kicked off with that passage? Makes me mad, some upgrade!

I did find the part about the colonists taking to the stars, and each race wanting to have a bigger representation than the previous. Miller said because of a limited gene pool among the stars, the racists actually GUARANTEED inter-breeding. Cool, huh?

My paperback is packed away, I think, and I might find it after unpacking in about three weeks. We're moving to a very nice apartment complex with a creek not 100 hundred yards from our front door. YEE HAW!!! "Movin on up!" Out of the ghetto. Three seperate murders last week in this neighborhood, in two days. We are SO out-of-here.

Robo,

Oregon is also the setting in THE POSTMAN. I'm not sure I've ever heard of SEVEN FROM OREGON... what is it? Is it the old story about the pioneer family, ala LITTLE HOUSE?

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Braling II
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Grassy, it's "Seven For Oregon" and it's written by none other than our own Dandelion. I hope to be able to tell exactly what it's about in the very near future!

I definitely have to get a new copy of "Electric" now since mine's gone missing and I remember that "Lost City" story as being great. Is that the one in which several very different characters (including an old actress, I think) are all on a Martian canal boat?

God be with you on your move! I hope I never have to do that again. It's got to be one of the most stressful things one can do, especially with a family.

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Braling II
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posted 04-13-2006 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Braling II     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't recall having read "The Postman"...
"...ask the postman, ask the mailman, ask the milkman - white with foam!..."

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Robot Lincoln
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posted 04-13-2006 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robot Lincoln   Click Here to Email Robot Lincoln     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright, you all are going to have to stop talking at once, its giving me a meltdown. Haven't gotten to Lost City of Mars yet, it may be the catalyst I need to speed it up just a notch. I think you'd like The Postman, B-Two. Post apocalyptic guy who normally tells stories and acts out Shakespheare gets looted of all his belongings and gets left in the mountains of Oregon. He is getting ready to freeze to death when he stumbles upon an old mail truck with a skeleton inside. He ends up spending the night wrapped up in mail bags, then he takes the uniform and cap of the dead postman and a few bags of mail, and proceeds to use this as an excuse to get food and shelter. As he is pretending there is a reformed U.S. back east and actually recruiting people to deliver new mail to distant towns, it starts to domino and gets very deep and interesting, not to mention intense.

Chapter 31, remember The Doris Day show?

I think The Streets of San Francisco had Michael Douglas getting off a trolley in the intro, not positive on that.

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grasstains
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posted 04-13-2006 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
B-II,

Yes, that's the story. You see??? You hardly remember it. Why? No respect, that story gets no respect.

Robo,

THE POSTMAN is such a quick read because it's hard to stop. You get caught up in the "Restored United States Of America" hoax and start believing it yourself. But, there were times I really wanted to SHOUT!!! at Gordon, thinking I could see things coming that he couldn't. That's getting caught up in a book. GREAT BOOK.

I haven't seen the movie either. I hope LONG'S DRUGS has it. I boycott the other video rental places for putting all the Mom & Pops' shops out of business. Now NETFLIX is doing the same thing to them. HA!!!

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Braling II
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posted 04-13-2006 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Braling II     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Grassy, you sound like Rodney Dangerfield! I meant no disrespect and I'll read it when I get it again. Looking forward to it, actually as, as I said I remember it as being a great story!
"When I was a kid my parents moved a lot...
but I always found 'em!"

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grasstains
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posted 04-13-2006 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
B-II,

Do you remember the HBO Rodney Dangerfield Live show from the 80s? I'd love to find that. I read in ROLLING STONE magazine that it's available on DVD now. That performance was the greatest example of improvisation I've ever seen. I remember the best part being when he takes on a heckler and rips the poor guy to shreds for what seemed like about 10 minutes of non-stop banter.

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Chapter 31
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Yes, this is actually a lot like a Howard Hawks film with everyone talking over each other. All we need now is an insolent woman. I love insolent women.

I think there’s a trolley in “I remember Mama”.

We were all having dinner over at a friend’s house once and they were playing a Rodney Dangerfield album while we were eating. I almost lost my dinner in one of their potted plants.

I don’t care what the critics said; I liked the movie “The Postman”.

“White with foam” indeed.

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grasstains
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posted 04-13-2006 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"this is actually a lot like a Howard Hawks film with everyone talking over each other. All we need now is an insolent woman. I love insolent women."

To whom Cagney would promptly mash her mug with a grapefruit. Hey, isn't that Montgomery Cliff and James Dean getting all emotional in the corner. Poor guys, they're so fragile. Oh! Look, here comes a real man--Brando riding a streetcar to the waterfront, dressed in leather, and adorning a Fu Manchu moustache.

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Braling II
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posted 04-13-2006 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Braling II     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hoo boy!
Yup, there's a trolley or two in "I Remember Mama" as it takes place in San Francisco. Great movie. Ellen Corby was mentioned awhile ago, and she played Aunt Trina who marries Edgar Bergen. I can hear Uncle Chris (Oskar Homolka) now, "A dowry?!"

AND here's Rodney: http://www.rodney.com/rodney/home/home.asp

Knowest thou whence cometh the aforesaid "white with foam" quote?

We do digress...Hee, hee!

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grasstains
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posted 04-13-2006 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Celluloid Heroes never really die" - Raymond Douglas Davies (The Kinks)

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Robot Lincoln
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I love that movie too, I must get it. Always used to see it on A.M.C. For some reason, that movie makes me think of The Ghost and Mrs. Muir which I love too. Maybe cause I used to see both on amc. Your right Grass about Postman, read it fairly fast for me. I think I relished that book in a different way than a Bradbury book. A Bradbury book = slow down and cherish every nuance and flavor, actually as Braling has mentioned, all the senses are involved in experiencing the story. Outside of R.B., I haven't read science fiction for some time. Now, I think I'm officially back in the fold. A book has to have certain criteria for me to really get into it, I'm sure thats true with everyone. Good plot, characters that you care about and can identify with, writing style that challenges intellectually, basically that good ol' x-factor that Mr. B has so much of. This book had it all for me. I like the post apocalyptic tales, this one is so viable and it moves in a fast pace. It takes you with it, like a torrid river. I finished it this evening. I have two other books by him,Startide Rising, and The Uplift War, but I have started I Robot by Asimov. I have the whole series. Also love time travel tales. Will get to Lost City soon, letcha know. Grass, glad your moving away from that rough neighborhood, the creek sounds real nice. I probably wouldn't last a day there. Good luck in your new home. Oh, and I liked the symbol for the reformed U.S., the eagle emerging from a pyre. I may get that put on an arm patch.

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Chapter 31
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posted 04-13-2006 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chapter 31     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
“Trina. You timid. Peter timid. Not good both be timid”

Ellen Corby. There wasn’t a role she didn’t do well. In “It’s A Wonderful Life”, when she asks Jimmy Stewart for some money from the savings and loan, she adlibbed the amount and totally surprised Stewart. And no one could say, “You old fool!” like her.

“Good night, Esther.”
“Good night, you old fool!”

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grasstains,
Check it out. All those Howard Hawks movies had “insolent women”. Lauren Bacall was the best but Angie Dickenson was another. The girl in “The Thing From Another World” (and yes, Hawks did direct that), the girl in “El Dorado”, “Red River”—I could go on and on. I wouldn’t want to turn my back on any of them or get into a fencing match with one (unless I knew I had an advantage) but they would all rate a flower on their pillow every night. And I’ll bet they’re all excellent dancers too--the kind of woman that Heinlein populated most of his novels with.


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AHA! Someone else who knows of the "Thing"/Hawks connection! I was impressed very early on by the overlapping dialogue - seemed like nobody else picked up on the fact that that's the way we talk in real life, like it or not! I got to meet George Fenneman (also not credited) and he was quite proud of the fact that he got to be the one that suggested electricity be tried to destroy the "thing". He also indicated that Howard Hawks did not want to have credit as director.

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dandelion
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posted 04-14-2006 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's "Clang, Clang, Clang, Went the Trolley" in "Meet Me in Saint Louis," and a great scene of a street car demolishing an automobile in the wonderful 1990 film "Avalon," which marked a very early appearance for Elijah Wood who has gone on to great things.

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posted 04-14-2006 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"All those Howard Hawks movies had “insolent women”. Lauren Bacall was the best but Angie Dickenson was another."

I'd take Myrna Loy in my corner over them anyday. She was kinda clumsy at times but always came through in the pinch. How many times did she save William Powell's *butt?

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posted 04-14-2006 03:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grasstains   Click Here to Email grasstains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doesn't Spock ride on a Trolley in ST IV (The Voyage Home)?

That's my new exclamation of surprise--"SPOCK ON A TROLLEY!!!"

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