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Lance
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posted 06-21-2004 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lance   Click Here to Email Lance     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello to all.

My name is Lance Hawvermale. I was the second person ever to register on these forums. I remember my thrill at having found Ray Bradbury on the web. You see, I am now a professional writer, and I owe much of my success to Ray. Since my first initial postings on these boards, I have existed in what Internet parlance refers to as a “lurker.” That is, I’ve come here often to read the discussions and marvel at how many of you have become members, but I’ve seldom added my own thoughts to this fine parliament of Bradbury scholars and admirers. I have lurked. You might called me, “The One Who Waits.”

I suppose the purpose of this letter is threefold. First I would like publicly to thank Ray for the inspiration he has directly and indirectly supplied. When I wrote him, he set aside the time to reply. In his letter, he encouraged me to keep writing, so as not to be dead. Shortly thereafter my agent landed my first book deal (written under the pseudonym of Erin O’Rourke). My second novel is due out in July. I have also acquired several magazine credits, as well as many credits in the fantasy hobby trade. So thanks, Ray, for your letter and kind remarks.

Indirectly he has inspired me with his rampant collision of words. The first time words ever took me by the hair and shook my head is when I encountered Something Wicked This Way Comes. Or rather, it encountered me. Slammed into me, actually. No one in the modern age cobbles words together in such a way, where nouns become adjectives and the metaphors clatter out like coins from a winning slot machine. For pure descriptive powers, for an unshakable sense of atmosphere, no one comes close. Bradbury as an eighty-year-old writes with the verve and elastic memory of a young man, as if his body is just a bicycle and he’s still the bright-eyed lad pedaling it at wild speeds down a Dublin alley. Again, thanks, Ray.

Secondly, I want to say how thrilled I am to find so many students of literature on these boards. Sometimes the discussions are quite fascinating, and I applaud those who take the time to explore some of Bradbury’s more obscure themes. Heaven knows I’ve been poking around these themes long enough by myself that it’s a joy to see others doing the same. I’ve learned a lot, both as a writer and a thinker, and I hope to continue learning as I press on in life as a novelist and as a man. Commercial fiction will pass away; by definition it must. But literature will endure. A hundred years from now—when settlers are stalking the red dusts of Mars—no one will read the Hugo-winning Red Mars series by Kim Stanley Robinson because its science fiction will have given way to science reality, though they will continue to stay up late with The Martian Chronicles because those are stories built upon human mythology and what it means to be alive. I can only hope that one day a similar monument will arrive at the best of my own humble pen.

Finally, let us remember to do what we have come here to do: delight in the works. It is not for us to cross swords with those who seek only to contend, and not to discuss. Ignore them. When you see their remarks, imagine that their words are the closing credits of a film at a theatre in Dublin, and it is your challenge to sprint to safety as fast as you possibly can before the dreaded anthem commences. Don’t take time to chat with them! Don’t even utter a word! You have better things to do with your time.

Racing you all to the door,

Lance

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Richard
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posted 06-21-2004 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Richard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lance, bless your heart. You have recommended (in a far more articulate way than I ever could) exactly what I have done...ignore those who are posting here in order to rabble rouse and engage in name calling, rather than to celebrate the life and work of this fine gentleman, Mr. Bradbury, which is what this site is all about. Now, if only everyone here who loves and admires Ray will take your advice....

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Mr. Dark
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posted 06-21-2004 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. Dark   Click Here to Email Mr. Dark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice post, Lance. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

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dandelion
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posted 06-22-2004 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go, Lance! See him run! See him WIN!

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lmskipper
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posted 06-22-2004 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lmskipper   Click Here to Email lmskipper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A touch of sanity on a board that has gone temporarily, and I stress temporarily, insane.

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thormachine
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posted 06-24-2004 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thormachine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thats right everyone....just close your eyes and cover your ears....maybe all the bad people asking questions and making you think twice about idolizing someone you dont even know will just go away!!!

And just so you know....i wont go away....

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Mr. Dark
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posted 06-24-2004 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. Dark   Click Here to Email Mr. Dark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thormachine: Another bad assumption. Many of us here know Bradbury and are very, very familiar with his works. Why do you assume no one here knows him?

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pterran
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posted 06-25-2004 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pterran   Click Here to Email pterran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mr. Dark,

I think Thormachine assumes no one here knows Bradbury because he couldn't be bothered to become familiar with this board. He seems more interested in showing up late to the game, posting his screeds, then basking in the sunshine of his superior intelligence.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Best,

Pete

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Mr. Dark
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posted 06-25-2004 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. Dark   Click Here to Email Mr. Dark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pete: I've never seen so many irrational posts in my life. I'd be embarrassed. By the way, thormachine says he won't go away, but I don't notice him answering any direct questions, either. He appears to just want to rant and run. Very typical.

[This message has been edited by Mr. Dark (edited 06-25-2004).]

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thormachine
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posted 06-25-2004 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thormachine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i would be happy to answer questions if questions were asked of me....all ive gotten so far is snooty bullshit and censorship.....

your dismissal of me because i havent been rattling around this board for god knows how long is just as childish and close minded as the ageism that others of your fold have shaken their fists at.

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pterran
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posted 06-25-2004 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pterran   Click Here to Email pterran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thormachine,

Well, Mr. Dark asked: Why assume that no one on this board knows Bradbury?

Okay. You've been asked. Your answer?

Best,

Pete

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thormachine
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posted 06-25-2004 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thormachine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as with most famous people.....there are some that know them and a lot that say they know them from talking to said person at a book signing for 5 minutes or having a brief email conversation with said famous person about some mildly irritating fan-fiction they wrote.....these people do not impress me....if there are people here that actually know Ray Bradbury personally....then i stand corrected and i would love to see what they think about all this buzz.....i especially dont like it when people assume that i am some sort of crazy Michael Moore nut for coming on to this forum with questions ready......

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pterran
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posted 06-25-2004 10:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pterran   Click Here to Email pterran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thormachine,

Some of the posters on this site know Bradbury better than you characterize. But, I'll admit, that's not necessarily clear if you're a new arrival.

But if you took a quick look at your posts, you might understand some who confuse you with, to use your words, a Michael Moore nut.

It's obvious you're passionate about your point of view. It's just that you may not be aware of how you come across.

Best,

Pete

[This message has been edited by pterran (edited 06-25-2004).]

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thormachine
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posted 06-25-2004 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thormachine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks pete, but i am well aware that i come across as a bit bullheaded...but ya know what....im fine with that....i would rather be taken as a bit pushy than be taken as someone who is easily pushed....

i dont think i quite understand what you are saying in the first sentence of your post....is that in regards to my comment about people knowing Bradbury? maybe you could rephrase that.....

thanks,
Thor

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pterran
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posted 06-25-2004 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pterran   Click Here to Email pterran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thormachine,

No. I thank you. I've edited the post so now it's more clear. (I'm barely able to keep up with you this evening so didn't look things over before I posted. Sorry 'bout that.)

I don't have any problem with pushy. By all means, push away.

Best,

Pete

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Mr. Dark
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posted 06-26-2004 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. Dark   Click Here to Email Mr. Dark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thormachine: You say you'd like to know what people who know Bradbury feel about this. Some have chosen not to dignify the assault on this site with responses. Others have posted positions. You have chosen to rant on and not listen. Your choice, of course, but it's tough to learn when you're always right and always pushing. This may surprise you, but pushing is not the best way to gather information. If you sat back and quietly and objectively read the posts, you would have a sense of how Bradbury and those who know him feel. Sam Weller (personal friend and official biographer fo Ray) posted after talking directly with Ray about this. Did you bother to read that post? If you did, then you know Bradbury's response. But then, it is pretty clear that the majority of the Pro-Moore faction ranting and raving out here are not interested in hearing any voice but their own.

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thormachine
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posted 06-26-2004 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thormachine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh yes its quite clear that oyu Mr. Dark are such a great person....and there is no way that you are at all at fault in the realm of hot air blowing.....

yeah right,
look at almost every post you have made in regards to the questions of the outraged new posters....they are condescending and elitist and they are the reason why i get angry and use language....

much unlike pterran who decided to (after a bit of nastiness) actually ask me questions and got answers for it.....instead of bookishly sputtering at my posts....

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Mr. Dark
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posted 06-26-2004 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. Dark   Click Here to Email Mr. Dark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell you what. You answer questions or issues I've put out there to you , and I'll be happy to answer questions or issues from you.

Additionally, did you read ANY of my earlier posts? In this thread alone, you said you'd like to hear from people who know Bradbury to get his position. You first implied that none of us know Bradbury. I responded to that, and you've ignored my post.

When I asked you if you personally know Moore (as you were implying none of us can speak to this unless we know Bradbury -- unfortunately for your argument, many of us do) you have yet to respond. Based on your own implications, how can you speak to this issue if you know NEITHER Bradbury nor Moore?

What have I ignored reasoned positions you have posted? When you do the research, and object to Bradbury's REAL position (rather than some exagerrated fabrication of his position), you'll get a civil response from me. When you continue to mis-characterize his position, and slam his character, and ignore the multitude of clarifications that have been posted here, you don't have the right to engage in reasoned discussion. All I've seen from you are mischaracterizations and attacks.

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pterran
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posted 06-26-2004 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pterran   Click Here to Email pterran     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thormachine,

Sorry if you took any of my posts as nasty. (Gee. I've never been characterized as that before. Makes me sound tough. )

But why not follow Mr. Dark's suggestions and let's really debate? Could be fun.

Best,

Pete

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Nard Kordell
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posted 06-28-2004 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nard Kordell   Click Here to Email Nard Kordell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thormachine:

About your inquiry if anyone here on the board actually knows Ray, well...
...I actually know Ray.

First met him in 1970 when he bought me lunch at an outdoor cafe a block down from his office on Wilshire, in Los Angeles. But I had been corresponding with him before that.

In between the years, many times just knocking on his door unannounced and welcomed in. Bumping into him on the street and talking was we walked. Getting together with friends at someone's house. Invited to his home and sitting around with friends and family during the first night telecast of 'The Martian Chronicles' on TV. What a treat!

Last time I saw Ray was at his home in March of this year, 2004. And we talked for awhile on a variety of topics, including what he thought about predestination as expounded in the book of Ephesians, chapter 1, in scripture. See, a wide variety of things.

Since his wife of 50 plus years passed away recently, it's been tough on him. But he has a large family of four daughters and many grandchildren.

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dandelion
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posted 06-29-2004 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ray acknowledges me with "known you for years," so I guess he counts me as a friend. We've corresponded for 24 years by mail and phone, but I've met him personally only twice, once at his house and once at a play of his, both in June of 2003. One of the best things he ever said to me was "you know me very well"--so if that's not a recommendation of knowing him, I don't know what is.

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Braling II
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posted 07-02-2004 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Braling II     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm new to the forum, though I've "lurked" for many moons. I'm responding here with some of what I wrote on another topic, to wit: I've loved Ray Bradbury since I was a boy. I had the privilege of hearing
him speak and meeting him. One thing one is left with after the talks he
used to give is a greater love of whatever one loved before, as well as
a greater appreciation of others and of life in general - not a bad legacy.
As to knowing a man, isn't one's art the way artists choose to make themselves known to the world? As a singer, musician and graphic artist, I find communicting via these media more satisfying and illuminating than other forms of social interaction that are usually thought of as "getting to know" someone. Anyway, I was pleased, nay, moved by Lance's missive, and hope this particular thread will re-ravel into what began as an appreciation of a truly great artist.
Live forever, Ray!

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dandelion
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posted 07-02-2004 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A wonderful true sentiment.

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