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whateverfloatsyourboat
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posted 04-03-2004 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whateverfloatsyourboat   Click Here to Email whateverfloatsyourboat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey.. did Ray have any brothers and sisters...
I was just thinking about it ...

-sandy

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dandelion
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posted 04-04-2004 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Identical twin boys, Leonard and Samuel, were born in 1916--four years before Ray, but Samuel died two years later, so Ray never "knew" Sam except as a "ghost." Sad to say, when I visited the Waukegan cemetery in 1984, several family graves, including Sam's, were not marked. I heard something about this situation having changed since--anyone know?

Ray was born in 1920. A sister, Elizabeth, was born about six years later. She died about a year after that. I never did learn what Samuel or Elizabeth died of. (Sam--not that Sam--if you're reading this, do you know?) Ray had been jealous of his sister and was DEEPLY affected by her loss. He NEVER got over it. It is mentioned briefly in "Dandelion Wine," as is the death of his grandfather, who died around the time Elizabeth was born.

Leonard grew up, married, had kids, and lived to be pretty old, but I don't know if he is still living, or, if he died, at what age and from what cause. (Again--Sam?)

More parallels between Ray and me. My only siblings are identical twins, and one of them has the middle name of Elizabeth!

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Nard Kordell
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posted 04-04-2004 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nard Kordell   Click Here to Email Nard Kordell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dandelion:

I'm guessing...but if Sam died in 1918...it's likely that it was from the Swine flu epidemic that killed millions of people...

There is an effective movie about the tragedy, produced by Horton Foote, and starring Matthew Broderick, called, "1918".

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whateverfloatsyourboat
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posted 04-04-2004 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for whateverfloatsyourboat   Click Here to Email whateverfloatsyourboat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow, thats interesting and all thoses losses in his family ...thats horrible ...

many thanks ...
-Sandy

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FH 451
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posted 04-04-2004 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FH 451     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Updates, coming.

Later
Patrick

[This message has been edited by FH 451 (edited 04-05-2004).]

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dandelion
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posted 04-04-2004 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Patrick! If Skip is still alive, I hope Sam interviewed him for the forthcoming biography!

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fjpalumbo
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posted 04-05-2004 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fjpalumbo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Skip" is mentioned in The Inspired Chicken Motel and in the Martian Episode (on video) that included Hal Linden.

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dandelion
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posted 04-05-2004 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was a "Skipper" in the original version of "The Night." I named my cat Skipper partly after this, partly after "Gilligan's Island," and partly after one of my favorite dolls from childhood. So my cat is very indirectly named after Ray's brother. My other cat is Captain Dandelion McCat. The "Dandelion" is after "Dandelion Wine" (he is orange and yellow) and the "McCat" Ray added himself!

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lmskipper
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posted 04-05-2004 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lmskipper   Click Here to Email lmskipper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Dandelion, I guess it's true that great minds think alike! My cats are named Gilligan and the Skipper, in tribute to one of my favorite and admittedly silliest tv addictions.

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dandelion
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posted 04-06-2004 06:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's funny, because if I got a cat after Skipper I was going to call it "Little Buddy." That's a good name for a boy or a girl cat.

Ray's childhood nickname, by the way, was "Shorty," if anyone wants to name their pet that.

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James Robert Smith
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posted 04-07-2004 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Robert Smith   Click Here to Email James Robert Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting string.

Here's one I've wondered about:

Do any of Ray's childen write?

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FH 451
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posted 04-07-2004 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FH 451     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturday night, Ray Bradbury's brother, Leonard "Skip" passed away, in his sleep, at home. He went peacefully, with his wife, at his side.

Those of you who have Ray B's home phone number, please don't call at this time.

The man has a had a few close family/friends members leave this world, in the last few months. So Please say a prayer for him.

Take care
Patrick

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lmskipper
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posted 04-07-2004 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lmskipper   Click Here to Email lmskipper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JRS--I once asked that same question about Ray's children, I think about a year ago. I was told that one daughter writes for a soap opera, "Santa Barbara," I believe.

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James Robert Smith
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posted 04-08-2004 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Robert Smith   Click Here to Email James Robert Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh. Cool.

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Translator
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posted 04-08-2004 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Translator   Click Here to Email Translator     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scary how this thread started...and ended.
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teejack94
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posted 04-09-2004 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teejack94   Click Here to Email teejack94     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sam did in fact pass away due to the flu epidemic. I was told just this past weekend as to hoe Elizabeth passed, but so much has happened, I do not remmber.

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Sam Weller
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posted 04-10-2004 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sam Weller   Click Here to Email Sam Weller     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings All,

Resurfacing for an all too brief moment and noticed this thread. It's very sad news about Skip Bradbury. Poor Ray. He has endured so much in the last six months. Maggie. Julie Schwartz. Now, his one and only brother. Still, Ray Bradbury's spirit is indefatigable. Anointed by the tip of an Excalibur sword, Ray Bradbury will endure.

I interviewed Skip several times in the last few years and he was always very gracious and had a terrific sense of humor. It became apparent to me that Leonard and Esther Bradbury raised two very kind, polite, and gentle boys.

As for questions about Ray and Skip's sister, Elizabeth "Betty Jane" Bradbury. She passed away from influenza on February 8, 1928. She was just shy of being a year old.

[This message has been edited by Sam Weller (edited 04-10-2004).]

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Nard Kordell
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posted 04-10-2004 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nard Kordell   Click Here to Email Nard Kordell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sam Weller:

Thanks, Sam. Ray's source of energy and hope go deeper than he realizes. What a gift he is to the world of literature.

It's interesting that his sister died in 1928... yet he ends '''Dandelion Wine''' with a triumphant 1928. Love covers a great hurt with endurance.

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dandelion
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posted 04-10-2004 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much, Sam and Nard!

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Terry Pace
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posted 04-10-2004 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Terry Pace   Click Here to Email Terry Pace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's indeed sad to hear that Skip passed away. I'm so sorry that I never had a chance to meet him. Anita and I spent the afternoon with Ray the following Monday, and he told us Skip died around the same time Ray was accepting his award at the OUT OF THIS WORLD tribute. It's been such a time for loss in Ray's wondrous universe --- from Maggie and Julie to his old friend Peter Ustinov and even Win-Win, one of the last two cats in the Bradbury household. Ray recently read the wire-service piece I wrote on Charles Bronson's death. He surprised me by saying they were old friends as well. "He used to live a few doors away from us, before he hit it big," he said. "We attended PTO meetings together." Such amazing connections ... Ray sold newspapers to John Barrymore and Buster Keaton, swam with Charlie Laughton, drank with Huston and Peckinpah and attended PTO meetings with Charles Bronson!

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dandelion
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posted 04-13-2004 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dandelion   Click Here to Email dandelion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On Easter I called Ray up and asked how he was doing. He said, "I'm doing fine, but I've had a rough week. My brother died." I said I heard that and was very sorry. I asked when he last saw his brother and he said, "Oh, about a year ago. I talked to my brother on the day he died and was able to tell him I loved him." I said, "So it was very sudden?" "Well, he had a heart condition."

It seems that besides other previously-mentioned matters, I may also have been misled/misinterpreted/misunderstood Ray's relationship with his brother. I wrote (and I'm not going back and edit it now) that they never got along. Perhaps closer to the truth would be that they may have gone through periods of not getting along, but reconciled, or that since Donn is a very different personality type, somewhat high-strung and demonstrative, he may have interpreted any reserve in Skip's manner as dislike or unfriendliness. Sam says Skip was always polite and pleasant. Ray also asked if I'd been in contact with Donn. I said not lately. It's possible Ray thought I heard about his brother through Donn--almost my only source before the internet!

Ray asked as usual what was going on with me. I said obviously I hadn't finished a chapter that week as I was getting ready for Easter. My entire family were here and I also had church and so on, but I wasn't going to feel too bad over it, just pick up and go on with it.

He said he had to go as his daughters were there for Easter dinner. I had called what I thought of as late enough in the evening to be well past dinner, but he insisted, "It's EARLY here!" He sounded okay, not in high spirits but pretty good spirits.

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