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douglasSP Member |
posted 12-29-2001 07:34 PM
   
I know this is a pretty awesome line of research, but is there any easily accessible list of all RB's short stories? I have all the major collections, one or two minor ones, and a few oddities that haven't been collected - but that still comes to only two hundred and something stories. RB is said to have written many more than that. Can anyone help? IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 12-29-2001 11:59 PM
Only one human being now living on earth can answer this, and, no, it isn't Ray Bradbury. This person is Donn Albright. A nearly-complete list came out in the "Ray Bradbury Companion," by William F. Nolan, but that was in 1975. Donn added on things left off this list and has continued with it since, but last time I contacted him he said that due to changing the format in which his list is kept, it is now impossible to copy. Last I knew, I thought there were 500-some short stories, but I haven't gotten a copy of the list in ten or twelve years. William F. Nolan said there were over 300 published short stories--that was about nine years ago. Do you have "A Memory of Murder"? It was a paperback which went out of print in about 15 minutes and reprinted some of Bradbury's "pulp" stories. Even after that, about 50 fell into the "rare, early, almost impossible-to find" category. Once in a while one turns up in an anthology. Look for editors William F. Nolan, Vic Ghidalia, Peter Haining, Sam Moskowitz, and Roger Elwood, and even then some of the anthologies are themselves rare. In 1976 I razorbladed "Subterfuge" out of a Vic Ghidalia book for a friend, who was to read and return it. She never did, and it took me twenty-five years to find another copy of that book. Donn needs to wait till he has the material assembled in book form before he can share it, and last I talked to him he did not know when that would be. He certainly has an awesome task. If you still want to make your own list, a well-stocked library will have "Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature," but of course that lists only certain publications. [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-12-2002).] IP: Logged |
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douglasSP Member |
posted 12-30-2001 03:02 PM
Thanks (dandelion) for your reply. No, I don't have A Memory of Murder, though I'm aware of it. I am not a truly zealous collector, in the sense of zealously pursuing items; I've just kept an eye out over the years and picked up books/magazines with stories I didn't recognise. I'd better mention that I live in Cape Town, South Africa, so my access to all things Bradbury is limited. thank heavens for the net, and amazon.com. I'm very tempted to order that Dark Carnival reprint, but price is an object. Anyway, I haven't done too badly ... I think I have one or two stories that must be tricky to get even in the States. Examples: "The Watchers", "The Piper", "The Undead Die" (a collaboration), "Bright Phoenix", and maybe one or two others. Of course, the books you get here are virtually always the British editions, which is interesting in itself. I can't cite chapter and verse, but I've come across references to baseball changed to cricket (!), and so on. Actually, I'd settle for details of the stories I do have; these are not always clear from the copyright pages. Not an obsession - just an interest, since some of the anthologies have stories published decades apart. IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 12-31-2001 03:20 AM
Okay, okay, you've convinced me...for the benefit of those with limited access to this information...but I will list ONLY uncollected short stories--NOTHING contained in ANY Bradbury collection, including such rare collections as the original "Dark Carnival" and "A Memory of Murder"--people who want that can find it their damn selves--and no poems, nonfiction, or novels...so it should take only a couple of days, not a couple of years! First appearances only--I'm not listing magazine reprints, or naming anthologies. The number of anthologies in which a story appeared is listed after the notation. I'll make an exception for the "Dark Carnival" reissue, which contains additional material, but is so rare it deserves special notice. They say they are printing 700 copies and THAT'S IT. We'll add up the total, and figure, at, say, 20 stories per collection, how many we're looking at here. Stories listed in error in "The Ray Bradbury Companion": [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-16-2002).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 12-31-2001 03:34 AM
1938-1939 "Hollerbochen's Dilemma," "Imagination!" January 1938. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "Hollerbochen Comes Back," "Mikros," November 1938. "How to Run a Successful Ghost Agency" (as "Brian Eldred"), "D'Journal," March 1939. "Don't Get Technatal," (as "Ron Reynolds"), "Futuria Fantasia," Summer 1939. "Gold," "Science Fiction Fan," August 1939. "The Pendulum" (anon.), "Futuria Fantasia," Fall 1939. Anthologized but not collected. (1) [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-14-2002).] IP: Logged |
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douglasSP Member |
posted 12-31-2001 09:16 AM
Great Stuff. Thanks for your interest, and your reply. There must be scores of these, so please don't put yourself out unduly. I'm sure someone will attempt to publish an exhaustive bibliography someday ... and good luck to them. PS I've just been rummaging among some old anthologies and I've also found "Lorelei of the Red Mist" in an old Asimov/Greenberg anthology (orig. Planet Stories, Summer 1946) IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-02-2002 04:38 AM
Thanks, Douglas, it is not all *that* hard, because as the list progresses chronologically, the more stories are collected. By the way, anything that does NOT say "Anthologized but not collected" means that, to my knowledge, it was not even anthologized. My checking on this has been pretty complete, but of course I could have missed a few. 1940-1945 "The Maiden of Jirbu" (with Bob Tucker), "Polaris," March 1940. "Tale of the Tortletwitch" (as "Guy Amory"), "Spaceways," April 1940. "Luana the Living," "Polaris," June 1940. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "The Flight of the Good Ship Clarissa" (anon.), "Futuria Fantasia," Winter 1940. "The Piper" (as "Ron Reynolds"), "Futuria Fantasia," September 1940. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "The Last Man," "Damn Thing," November 1940. "It's Not the Heat, It's the Hu--," "Script," November 2, 1940. "The Tale of the Terrible Typer," "Fantasite," November 1940. "Genie Trouble," "Damn Thing," December 1940. "How Am I Today, Doctor?" "Damn Thing," February 1941. "The Trouble With Humans is People," "Damn Thing," March 1941. "Tale of the Mangledomvritch," "Snide," 1941. "To Make a Long, Long Story Much, Much Shorter," "Script," July 5, 1941. "Pendulum" (with Henry Hasse), "Super Science Stories," November 1941. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "Eat, Drink and Be Wary," "Astounding Science Fiction," July 1942. "The Candle," "Weird Tales," November 1942. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "The Piper," "Thrilling Wonder Stories," February 1943. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "Subterfuge," "Astonishing Stories," April 1943. Anthologized but not collected. (2) "Gabriel's Horn" (with Henry Hasse), "Captain Future," Spring 1943. "Doodad," "Astounding Science Fiction," September 1943. Anthologized but not collected. (3) "And Watch the Fountains," "Astounding Science Fiction," September 1943. "Promotion to Satellite," "Thrilling Wonder Stories," Fall 1943. "The Ducker," "Weird Tales," November 1943. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "The Sea Shell," "Weird Tales," January 1944. Anthologized, and collected in "Dark Carnival" reissue and "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales." "The Monster Maker," "Planet Stories," Spring 1944. "I, Rocket," "Amazing Stories," May 1944. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "Killer, Come Back to Me!" "Detective Tales," July 1944. "Morgue Ship," "Planet Stories," Summer 1944. "Bang! You're Dead!" "Weird Tales," September 1944. Anthologized, and collected in "Dark Carnival" reissue and "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales." "And Then--The Silence," "Super Science Stories," October 1944. "Undersea Guardians," "Amazing Stories," December 1944. Anthologized but not collected. (2) "Lazarus Come Forth," "Planet Stories," Winter 1944. "The Poems," "Weird Tales," January 1945. Anthologized, and collected in "Dark Carnival" reissue and "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales." "Skeleton," "Script," April 28, 1945. (Not the same as the one in "The October Country.") "The Watchers," "Weird Tales," May 1945. Anthologized, and collected in "Dark Carnival" reissue and "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales." [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 05-09-2003).] IP: Logged |
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douglasSP Member |
posted 01-02-2002 09:20 AM
Absolutely fantastic stuff, dandelion. In fairness I have to say I have actually heard of many of these, though not nearly all. Definitely a list to keep. Some of the stories sound suspiciously like variant titles of collected ones ... for instance "Promotion to Satellite" - isn't that "Kaleidoscope?" IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-03-2002 03:39 AM
Before I get to that point, does anyone know whether "Journey to Far Metaphor," "Kaleidoscope," and "One Timeless Spring" are story collections, or contain any short stories? If so, can someone please post tables of contents so I don't list any collected stories as being uncollected? IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-03-2002 03:44 AM
The post below by fjpalumbo clears up "Journey to Far Metaphor" and "Kaleidoscope" but I am still unclear as to "One Timeless Spring." Last time I talked to Donn Albright, he said it didn't exist, but that was well before "From the Dust Returned," and its title page still lists this title. Could it have been published since I talked to Donn? Forthcoming? Or were the publishers just too darn lazy to replace an already-printed page? Here's what the online version of "Books in Print" has to say: One Timeless Spring One Timeless Spring [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-16-2002).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-03-2002 04:59 AM
No, Bradbury used similar ideas (such as electronic mice) in different stories. "Kaleidoscope" first appeared in "Thrilling Wonder Stories," October 1949. 1946-1949 "Final Victim" (with Henry Hasse), "Amazing Stories," February 1946. "Defense Mech," "Planet Stories," Spring 1946. "Rocket Skin," "Thrilling Wonder Stories," Spring 1946. "Her Eyes, Her Lips, Her Limbs" (as "William Elliott"), "Californian," June 1946. "Lorelei of the Red Mist" (with Leigh Brackett), "Planet Stories," Summer 1946. Anthologized but not collected. (With 6 appearances, the winner of the anthology total.) "Tomorrow and Tomorrow," "Fantastic Adventures," May 1947. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "Rocket Summer," "Planet Stories," Spring 1947. (Not the same as that in "The Martian Chronicles.") "The Irritated People," "Thrilling Wonder Stories," December 1947. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "Jonah of the Jove Run," "Planet Stories," Spring 1948. "The Square Pegs," "Thrilling Wonder Stories," October 1948 and "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales." "The Silence," "Super Science Stories," January 1949. (Retitled reprint of 1944 story "And Then--The Silence," which appeared in a Canadian publication. "The Ray Bradbury Companion" erroneously lists this as its first printing.) "The Lonely Ones," "Startling Stories," July 1949 and "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales." "Changeling," "Super Science Stories," July 1949. Anthologized in at least 4. Collected for the first time in "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales." "Holiday," "Arkham Sampler," Autumn 1949. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "A Blade of Grass," "Thrilling Wonder Stories," December 1949. As far as I know, never even anthologized. Collected for the first time in "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales," making this a first book appearance! [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 05-09-2003).] IP: Logged |
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fjpalumbo Member |
posted 01-03-2002 10:11 AM
On this subject: see a rather comprehensive listing of Mr. Bradbury's works on line- http://www.sfsite.com/isfdb-bin/exact_author.cgi?Ray_Bradbury Awards, pseudonyms, references of works [1947-2000] and more.(Credit to: Copyright (c) 2001 Al von Ruff) Also, as I am writing this, I am listening to a wonderful narration of "A Sound of Thunder" from Ray Bradbury Himself: 19 Complete Stories. If you don't have this four cassette, almost six hour of readings by Mr. Bradbury, it's a great treat every time you listen to it! [This message has been edited by fjpalumbo (edited 01-03-2002).] Note: On checking the above link a year later, it seems to be broken. Google searches bring up a record of the page, but no access to it. The best source for complete and current information seems to be at www.locusmag.com where you can find magazine and anthology appearances by author. [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-17-2003).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-03-2002 01:07 PM
Thanks, that list does include a few things not found in the "Ray Bradbury Companion," but not the three works I asked about above. [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-05-2002).] IP: Logged |
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fjpalumbo Member |
posted 01-03-2002 01:58 PM
These may offer some reason for difficulties in a definitive answer: (hope it helps) Journey to Far Metaphor : Further Essays on Creativity, Writing, Literature, and the Arts Kaleidoscope, the Human Operators credit- http://www.non.com/books/Bradbury_Ray_cc.html [This message has been edited by fjpalumbo (edited 01-03-2002).] [This message has been edited by fjpalumbo (edited 01-03-2002).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-04-2002 04:37 AM
Thanks, that clears things up a bit. Here are two more early/rare short story collaborations not listed in "The Ray Bradbury Companion": "The Record" (with Forrest J. Ackerman). First book appearance was in the anthology "The Science Fiction Worlds of Forrest J. Ackerman and Friends," but the source above lists the date as 1939. If published in 1939, it may have appeared in "Futuria Fantasia" or some other fanzine. Otherwise, it was written in 1939 but not published until 1966. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "The Undead Die" (with E. Everett Evans), "Weird Tales," July 1948. Anthologized but not collected. (Possibly more than one, but only (1) which credits Bradbury.) By the way, I'm counting foreign collections such as "The Day It Rained Forever" and "The Small Assassin," which include stories not found in American editions, so uncollected = *really* rare. [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-14-2002).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-04-2002 11:37 PM
1950-1954 "All on a Summer's Night," "Today," January 22, 1950. As far as I know, never even anthologized. Collected for the first time in "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales," making this a first book appearance! "Payment in Full," "Thrilling Wonder Stories," February 1950. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "The Bonfire," "Torquasian Times," Winter 1950. "The Year 2150 A.D." "Shangri-La," (undated) 1950. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "The Fireman," "Galaxy," February 1951. Anthologized but not collected. (1) "A Little Journey," "Galaxy," August 1951. Anthologized at least once, and collected in "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales." "Love Contest" (as "Leonard Douglas"), "Saturday Evening Post," May 23, 1952. "The Secret," "It," Summer 1952. "Bullet with a Name," "Argosy," April 1953. "They Knew What They Wanted," "Saturday Evening Post," June 26, 1954. "Love Contest" and "They Knew What They Wanted" are actually delightful stories, just so different in tone and content from much of what is associated with Bradbury's work that he actually used a pen name for the first. The second story, although about the same characters, appeared under his own name. "The Great Fire" in "The Stories of Ray Bradbury" would be the most comparable. [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 05-09-2003).] IP: Logged |
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douglasSP Member |
posted 01-05-2002 08:33 AM
Thanks for your continuing research, dandelion ... now you've got me doing it! I've started a (hopefully) comprehensive list of collected and anthologised stories, with their original sources. Virtually all the necessary info is on www.locusmag.com; it just needs a bit of sifting, sorting, and checking. You might care to check out the Bradbury listings on this site. Many obscure anthologies are mentioned, including ones that are claimed to contain stories on your list! One example that springs to mind is "The Bonfire", for which an anthology is cited. I think there are one or two others, as well. IP: Logged |
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Greg Miller Member |
posted 01-05-2002 02:13 PM
"Journey to Far Metaphor", as far as I know, was supposed to be a collection of non-fiction essays. The projected publication date was originally 1997 or '98, but I believe the project was abandoned. It is also the name of an essay Ray published several decades before. Hope this helps! -Greg IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-05-2002 05:39 PM
Please don't strain yourself on anthologies dated 1970-1990. Another list I have covers most of those and I'll get to it after listing the individual stories. If any of these stories appeared in anthologies before the early '70s and are not listed as "anthologized but not collected," or if you know of any which have appeared since 1989, you may want to list those here, as they'll be the ones I don't know about. Obviously, some stories appeared in more than one anthology, so one may be rare while another is obtainable. IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-07-2002 01:38 AM
1955-1959 "Marvels and Miracles--Pass It On!" "New York Times Magazine," March 20, 1955. "A Wild Night in Galway," "Harper's," August, 1959. Anthologized, but, as far as I know, not collected. Note that not *all* Irish stories appear in "Green Shadows, White Whale"--this one, "Getting Through Sunday Somehow," "The Better Part of Wisdom," and "The Haunting of the New," to name a few. "Wild Night" is the ONLY Bradbury story I found actually depressing (although "Getting Through Sunday Somehow" might come close)--which says a lot considering I've read nearly all of them! That takes care of 1955-1959. Note how few stories remain uncollected from these years compared to earlier periods. IP: Logged |
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posted 01-07-2002 02:29 AM
1960-1969 "Bright Phoenix," "Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction," May 1963. Anthologized at least once, and collected in "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales." "Massinello Pietro," "Connoisseur's World," April 1964. "The Blue Flag of John Folk," "Two Bells," June 1966. "The Hour of Ghosts," "Saturday Review," October 25, 1969. [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 05-09-2003).] IP: Logged |
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posted 01-07-2002 03:00 AM
1970-1989 "The Beautiful Shave," "Gallery," March 1979. As far as I know, never even anthologized. Collected for the first time in "100 of His Most Celebrated Tales," making this a first book appearance! [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 05-09-2003).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-07-2002 03:21 AM
Retitlings and odd items: "These Things Happen," "McCall's," May 1951. Collected in "Long After Midnight" as "A Story of Love." "Welcome, Brothers!" "Authentic Science Fiction Monthly, #29," January, 1953. This is "Mars is Heaven!" retitled. I must admit, I found it pretty suspect: I could not BELIEVE that both William F. Nolan and Donn Albright missed listing an original story, and I was right. "Tread Lightly to the Music," "Cavalier," October 1962. Collected in "Long After Midnight" as "Getting Through Sunday Somehow." "Good Grief" is "Statues," retitled for a 1993 anthology appearance, and should not be counted as an original story. "Of What is Past, or Passing, or to Come II." (Seems to have first appeared in an anthology; so far uncollected. The locusmag site says this is a poem and I believe them. The first one certainly was, and Al's site has at least one other poem mistakenly listed as a short story.) And an odd one: An original story, "The Troll," first appeared in "The Bradbury Chronicles: Stories in Honor of Ray Bradbury," edited by William F. Nolan and Martin H. Greenberg. Since it is the only story in the collection actually by Bradbury, it is not exactly a Bradbury collection, but as the book is in honor of him, it is not exactly an ordinary anthology either. You can count it on your uncollected list if you like. (1991) It has appeared in two more anthologies, making it a (3) "Pilgrimage," a story which first appeared in "California Sorcery," edited by William F. Nolan and William Schafer, making it anthologized but not collected. (1999) "The Affluence of Despair," a short story in "The SFWA Grand Masters, Vol. 2," edited by Frederik Pohl. New York: Tor, 2000. "Death Has Lost Its Charm for Me." This was the title of a collection of poems from Lord John Press, but seems to also be a short story in "Strange Attraction," edited by Edward E. Kramer. Centreville, VA: Shadowlands Press, 2000. "Haunted House," with Elizabeth Albright. Elizabeth, Donn's daughter, was about eight years old when she started this short story, which Ray completed. Anthologized in "The Mammoth Book of Haunted House Stories," edited by Peter Haining, Robinson, 2000. It appears to be published in England but available in the U. S. as well. "We the People, Inc.," "Hemispheres," June 2001. (Magazine short story.) [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-17-2003).] IP: Logged |
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douglasSP Member |
posted 01-07-2002 06:22 PM
Dandelion, thanks again for your efforts. Unless this is one of those cases where the transatlantic edition is different, I think "A Wild Night in Galway" is collected. It's chapter 6 of "Green Shadows". Here's my note on the story (I have nutshell comments, notes or reviews on all the stories of which I have texts): "A 'wild night' out in Galway turns out to involve nothing more exotic than dog racing. The story gives the impression that Bradbury was in two minds about Ireland. Here, most of the imagery is downright depressing, especially the weather. Perhaps for this reason, the story failed to find a berth in any of his story collections, until its inclusion, substantially rewritten, in Green Shadows, White Whale." I think that tallies well with what you said! IP: Logged |
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douglasSP Member |
posted 01-07-2002 08:36 PM
dandelion, I think Chapter 6 of "Green Shadows" is a substantially rewritten version of "A Wild Night in Galway". And you're right - it is depressing. IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-07-2002 10:48 PM
Since I don't have my own copy of "Green Shadows, White Whale," I will have to check it in the library's. I'm still recovering from that "baseball to cricket" thing. "The Big Black and White Game" a cricket match? "I say, old chap, those fellows aren't behaving in a very sporting manner, what?" TOO weird! (Of course, if we were talking about British football, as opposed to American baseball or just about any other sport, the situation would have been even worse!) Having checked my handwritten list, 1989-October 1998 (as you can see, it was needing updating, which I will try to do tomorrow) I can say: during this period, Bradbury does not appear to have published a SINGLE new short story in ANY publication listed in the "Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature." Lots of reprints, a few poems, and perhaps short stories in more obscure publications. The rest is all nonfiction. It's also probably safe to assume that any short stories which may have appeared in print since then would also find their way into an upcoming collection, and it would be premature to list them as "uncollected"--in other words, it's perfectly safe to regard the above list as "complete." My notation on "One Timeless Spring" is "1994 Buccaneer Books." No number of pages, no ISBN, just a note, "NBM." Anyone know what "NBM" might indicate in "Books in Print"? Any idea why his publisher would keep listing a book which doesn't exist? I also have a question I don't believe Donn ever got around to answering: can ANYONE list the table of contents for "The Best of Bradbury" (Bantam, 1976)? Does it have an introduction? If so, I'll need to obtain a copy. If not, I just need the table of contents. Thanks, all! IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-07-2002 11:11 PM
Let's assume you're right about "A Wild Night in Galway" being collected, because that makes the count exactly 80 uncollected stories. Not counting five being made available through the "Dark Carnival" reissue, that's enough for 4 collections of 20 stories apiece! They SHOULD be collected, even under titles such as "Miscellaneous Misfits," "The Worst Of," "For Diehard Fans Only," and "Least Known Stories," just for the sake of completeness! Without making an *exact* count, I'd say I've read about half of them in one form or another--the other half, even a hardcore fan such as myself has been unable to obtain! No wonder they call Donn "Albright"--you'd have to be to do what he has done! IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-08-2002 12:42 AM
Maybe Donn did tell that and I forgot. In any case, here's the answer: Bradbury, Ray The Best of Bradbury (boxed collection) Bantam NY. Bantam paperback with box. No date. As new. Contains fine Bradbury classics The Martian Chronicles, I Sing the Body Electric, Long after Midnight, R is for Rocket and The Illustrated Man. Great for introductions to a science fiction master or as replacement for well-read copies of the true fan. I couldn't open that locusmag site at all. The list linked with amazon.com has an awful lot of blanks, many of which I could fill, and no contact info, but does contain a number of items of which I was unaware, as additions to my own list, and by the way--"One Timeless Spring" isn't anywhere on it. IP: Logged |
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posted 01-08-2002 01:14 AM
Actually, that's only 79--I accidentally counted "The Silence" under both titles--but here are a few more: "From the Dust Returned," "The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction," September 1994. (Presumably collected in the novel of the same name.) "The Offering," "The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction," March 1997. "Overkill," "Playboy," November 2000. (See above for another magazine story and several "anthologized but not collected" in books.) [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-17-2003).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-08-2002 01:20 AM
One more reminder: this is a list of UNCOLLECTED short works of fiction ONLY--not a complete or comprehensive list of everything by and about Bradbury, so therefore not an excuse not to buy Donn Albright's book when it comes out, which I expect you all to do when it's available! IP: Logged |
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posted 01-08-2002 11:00 AM
You deserve a medal, Dandelion!!! as he would put it "Live Forever" thank you for your research... IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-09-2002 03:42 AM
Gee, thanks, uncle! Anyone really desiring a medal could undertake to list the anthologies for the "anthologized but not collected" stories. Some of them are on Al von Ruff's online list, cited above, but of course each title would have to be checked individually. As for anyone actually locating copies of all 80+ stories and editing them into collections, well, it's hard to imagine what sort of award to bestow! I experienced a bit of future shock in trying to update my list. In one library, I couldn't find the "Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature" past 1997. In another, I couldn't find it at all! As it turned out, both libraries had cancelled their subscriptions to both "Reader's Guide" and "Books in Print" in favor of online services! So now you not only STILL need to be at the library to access this information--you have to find an available computer and know how to use it! On the "Books in Print" site, I tried doing a search on everything under his name--in print, out of print, printed and non-printed materials. Out of 707 hits, it only let me view 250! So now I have to go back and divide them into books, audio, and video, and perhaps even divide the books into in print and out of print, to sort the lists down to 250 or less! Al von Ruff's site is, again, invaluable for listing the contents, so I can form an idea of what I've read and what I still need to be on the lookout for, not to mention listing publications "Reader's Guide" never listed in the first place, so THANKS for telling about it. It reduced my time of sitting in the corner feeling like a dinosaur. At least it isn't as bad as having your trolley replaced by a bus. A trolley takes the scenic route, a bus gets you there more quickly and directly...*sigh,* choices, choices.... Of course, in the community of which I speak, the buses are actually painted and fixed to resemble trolleys! I laugh and think of "Dandelion Wine," Douglas, and Ray, every time I see one! IP: Logged |
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douglasSP Member |
posted 01-09-2002 06:00 PM
Dandelion, I'm very disappointed that you were unable to open the Locus site, because I would have appreciated your opinion of it. If I ever stumble on to that baseball/cricket thing again, I'll let you know. To be honest, I'm not even sure that it was about baseball or cricket; it was just a few lines with such an obviously English cast that I felt sure they couldn't be original. Since you are obviously the 800 lb gorilla of Bradbury fans, I've followed your advice and ordered that new edition of Dark Carnival. I am now living in a piano crate. All donations are welcome. IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-10-2002 03:42 AM
Gee, Douglas, sorry about that, but, the weather must be very warm in your part of the world. It's much less drafty than a piano crate in Chicago in January! You may be glad. I heard from the man at Gauntlet Press, who has sold over 600 of the 700 copies already. Boy, would I have been mad had I found out too late! If I'm the 800-lb gorilla, then Donn is the 1000-lb gorilla. After all, I just owe Bradbury my life. To a large extent, the pursuit of Bradbury *is* Donn's life. (That's a tribute to Bradbury, not a dis on Donn--it really is a full-time job and SOMEbody has to do it!) Frank Palumbo sent me another way to get into the locus site which I will probably try and I do thank him for sending. As I said, I found what the libraries now use instead of "Books in Print" but can't figure what they have instead of "Reader's Guide." So far the only journal index I've found online is some arts and humanities thing which mainly has essays and other papers people have written about Bradbury. That's interesting, too, but not what I was looking for to update my list. I'll either ask, at both this and our local library, or wait for my once-a-year spring visit to an even bigger library and try to update it there. [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-11-2002).] IP: Logged |
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fjpalumbo Member |
posted 01-10-2002 10:08 AM
Have you a copy of the book, In The Stream of Stars: The Soviet/American Space Art Book - Workman Publishing, 1990? The intro is "We are the Carpenters of an Invisible Cathedral" (A Historical Perspective by Ray Bradbury). Mr. Bradbury's opening comments (2 pgs.)(6/21/90) are quite eloquent! He sets up what follows in the contents masterfully. The art work is by astronauts, cosmonauts, and other space program personnel. The paintings and accompanying descriptions by the artists are well organized as well as very thought provoking. IP: Logged |
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douglasSP Member |
posted 01-10-2002 04:54 PM
Hi everyone! Firstly, my apologies for the occasional double postings. The thing is, after you click the "submit" button, you are returned to the allegedly new page, but still with no sign of your posting. So then I click "submit" again. Looks as if I shouldn't. Sorry. Dandelion, some twenty years ago I used a publication called Short Story Index to look up the contents of books I couldn't find, and to check the differences between the American and British contents of books. I wonder if it still exists, and whether it could be useful? According to an ancient handwritten note of mine the SSI was published in New York by the H. W. Wilson Company. The volumes I used were published in the fifties and sixties, but you never know ... IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-11-2002 12:51 AM
While looking for the other sources, I did find where the library keeps its volumes of "The Short Story Index," which go up to 1999. I looked at the locusmag site, and, while it is a good start, it needs a lot of work. For one, the list of stories is far from complete--Al's site is much more comprehensive. What is there isn't all correct, either. For instance, neither "The October Country" nor "The Stories of Ray Bradbury" seem to be listed at all as collections under stories which appeared in them. Some of the collections listed are wrong: several stories listed as being in "I Sing the Body Electric!" are actually in "Long After Midnight." Also, anthologies seem to include only those published from 1984 on, so a lot of earlier anthologies are missing. They do list a number I'd never heard of. I checked locusmag and "The Short Story Index," which resulted in a lot of stories being added to the "anthologized but not collected" category. I went ahead, got really carried away, and listed the number of anthologies in which each story appeared. People wishing titles, editors, publisher, and date for each anthology will still have to find it out their damn selves, though. When I checked all the above...WOW...it resulted in at least one I'd never even HEARD of! [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-14-2002).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-13-2002 03:16 AM
Okay, people, are you ready for the coup de gras...that is, the final official count? Removing all those initially listed in error, noted above, including "A Wild Night in Galway," and adding those discovered on checking and rechecking all sources, the count stands as follows: Not even so much as Anthologized: Stories published, and maybe reprinted, in magazines, and never in any book: 54 Anthologized but not collected: 27 Which still leaves a total of EXACTLY 81, or, as I said, four 20-story collections. Uncollected stories I've read: 34 By the way, I was right on in estimating I'd read all but about 50 of his stories. If you add the four stories collected in the "Dark Carnival" reissue, which I didn't include in the above count, then subtract the one I read in an anthology, which I also did not count above, that leaves EXACTLY 50 unread stories! [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 02-02-2002).] IP: Logged |
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dandelion Moderator |
posted 01-13-2002 03:30 AM
Douglas, thanks for motivating me to make this list, which has been needing to be done for a long time, and for all your kind words. In fact, I am so proud of my work I want to print this thread out. So--since we don't HAVE a moderator--a situation we're still working to remedy--could you, and whoever else may have double-posted anywhere, please do me a great favor? On each second (third, etc.), duplicate post, just edit over it and replace it with "Duplicate Document Deleted" or some such brief notation. The "Edit" button is the second icon from the right above the post, and, by the way, I LOOOVE this button! Allowed me to make all the corrections above. This will save time, space, toner, and paper, and make for an all-around neater printout, so I really appreciate it! Thanks, all! [This message has been edited by dandelion (edited 01-14-2002).] IP: Logged |
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douglasSP Member |
posted 01-13-2002 04:16 PM
Well done, dandelion, and my personal thanks once again. Your list, combined with the other relatively easily available sources mentioned above, should allow fans to arrive at a very fair, if not completely faultless, catalog of stories. I, for one, am now compiling a computer database. It'll take time, though, and since we all wish Ray eternal life and vigor, it will never be anything more than a "work in progress"! IP: Logged |
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